Meeting at CMU regarding showing of pr0n at TBA movie nights 11-dec-2005 KDKA link: http://kdka.com/topstories/local_story_333233527.html 1) How is this going to affect the value of my image/education? Good entertainment adds value Movies should be fluffy and make them feel happy about life Branding Erode educational environment? Asserts would Moderator reply: Lolita versus pirates damage done by image? 2) Pirates shown as more important, larger issue Was very well sold - 5-10% of campus community guessed Most money spent on things that ppl have apathy on Worthless/detrimental showings of things, "could cause detriment" online game society- violent games Brought a lot of ppl together, overt sexual content more focus than political movements, etc Largely seems to be commenting on society than on event 3) Would dispel misinformation Money was not spent -- rights were free Complaints on advertising, were responded to and adv removed KDKA report had misinformation 1200-1300 ppl? Responded and adapted to complaints Has become a media issue 4) Why free? moderator: controversy, marketing 5) Was one who contacted news Feels that porn films are just gratification of sex means of marketing demeaning towards women sexual images don't need to be there went through other routes, voice not heard Where did money for foods, etc come from more men than women at CMU is part of and tied to sexism in film 6) Total income $1000, total cost $500, net income $500 money comes from student activities fee 7) Questions raised porn films addictive, lead to antisocial behaviour publicising pr0n gives wrong impression that campus endorses silently such materials 8) Poster policy person never heard complaints of posters being up policy of no obscene posters if ppl feel is discriminatory, is an issue due to no discrim policy if women discrim, policy versus incitement of violence censoring is a bad thing b/c saying censor leads to slippery slope One sided political speakers important to allow moderator reply things happen on campus and in world that we don't like or don't want to see. Once silencing happens of legal content, leads to need for criteria/judges other moderator reply Should it be a community responsibility to decide what is acceptable reply leads to tyranny of majority, potential problem. Preserve minority viewpoints 9) Tepper wannabe lawyer person federal/state obscenity law, notes distribution of hardcore pr0n illegal at fed/state level exemption for universities/colleges this is under precedent set in cases for bona fide educational purposes Argues that showing pr0n is not bona fide education no discussion First amendment does not apply (KDKA ppl showed up, shown the door) moderator reply: support bringing charges moderator 2: why no porn at video store? 9) moved porn to designated area moderator: freedom of speech at university existed since 13th century, ages-old right right to debate heresy university was permitted to police own boundaries to avoid unruly students 10) Elaborate on legal issues reasonable to say university not bound by laws of state so much as own educational charter/values/etc strike balance btw freedom of expression and extent to which content distrib detrimental to university mission Constitution of AB: statement on harassment - right to free expression and individual dignity committment - free inquiry, respect for dignity some expressing detrimental enough to goals of univ that leads to need to censor public pr0n on large scale leads to hostile atmosphere mod: how does create hostile atmosphere reply: way of presenting (did not see the film) 11) On Censorship Showing film benefits in small way, especially forum to close this would close us from community as whole 12) On campus climate agree that is tendency for depts in retaining women in fields asserts is b/c atmosphere number of ppl attending forum fraction of ppl attending event different event mood from room challenge to bring discussions to movies use TBA to further educational opportunity 13) As someone who attended event, felt was fairly diverse in terms of gender viewing conditions for study different when it comes to hard numbers? general idea of discussion on campus - shutting down ideas in acad inst sells CMU short 14) issues seen responsibility on headroll - who to blame decide if to see people who don't want to see it don't go 15) reply by news person small community -- affects everyone if anyone goes 16) small group of ppl who object to genre of films have ability to ban film? opens questions on who sets standards hard to find no objections 17) Is pr0n harmful? no - woman was agressor in this film no harmful env addreß creation ißue? 400 ppl watching - main pt not sex grat 18) Censorship discussion not helpful All here b/c want to respect each other what is healthiest for campus upsets her that pr0n better turnout than discussion 19) Talk about effect on campus not first time pr0n seen on campus most ppl have seen pr0n, not intro to campus showed movie ppl wanted to see no evidence of sex harassment complaints show me the research on campus mod: rule out subjective evidence 20) more important to consider safe of space for women/gender minorities than censorship TBA is not largest example of univ supporting sex assault frathouse rape - financial ties stronger 21) porn can be social should be open if it's somewhere 22) dilemma - don't like censorship but don't like pr0n value of pr0n versus install art don't want uni on letterman 23) If not wrong, why not call it by name? 24) not saying what should be done, real possibility that in order to not censor things we want, must keep TBA even if most ppl don't like them pr0n is wrong cheapens sex 25) is pr0n artistic? history of art, back to sculptures show artistic things in each person, in sensuality beauty brings one to higher knowledge is place for nudity in artistic field artists have inspiration, heart into work in pr0n, is this the case? is it art? intent? 26) Me. I like pr0n, but prefer to watch alone. WRT the discussion need -- not all events should or need be a discussion of nietzsche versus wagner events make CMU fun. You're going to offend somebody if you do almost anything, for instance, I would prefer the passion, an antisemitic and religious film, not be shown, but I would not stop it. I simply do not attend, even if I would prefer there not be a religious feeling at CMU. We should not be looking over our shoulder every time we do anything to worry about the image of the school. Campus is open for all of us to write upon Mod: what happens to special status of community when we must argument on content 27) feels used that campus used to promote film support show on campus, use campus to market - cost of film 28) AB person - on cost was suggested that could show pirates, novel film AB tracked down producer, asked to show, how to show got a no from studio, eventually got call from producer, allowed gratis if put name of film on posters, send publicity material gave ok 29) - lawyerwannabe again how was film shipped - warehouse in erie (note:dude probably wants to sue on inter-state trafficking) 30) Summarise as should not censor TBAs around for long time, this is one of few times where there was a forum on TBA Unacceptable to censor forums? Huh? Don't understand where he's going on this point Mod: campus may have changed since TBAs established? 31) Why dismiss on grounds of sexual gratification? 32) Have had controversy in past, e.g. Shobazz, natrat speaker This crowd looks different, not much between Suspicion that these arguments not honest, why need to dress up arguments? Who has prior objection to pr0n, why is it bad? mod: would've been better to argue before film shown? pr0n as ritalin? our culture cannot talk of things outside of business, work, and study is problem 33) Primarily issue of censorship do not censor unless poses proven danger to campus does not believe pirates poses danger of corruption of minds there are some films that should be censored, but not this college students are mature enough for pr0n uni is area for exposure to different viewpoints beliefs vary mod: unfair to suggest ppl who do not like can go elsewhere rep: plenty of women like pr0n, pr0n not necessarily degrading 34) If 10th of pop'n showing pr0n film, is there forum to know alternate viewpoints of pr0n? Not all anti-pr0n ppl are religious 35) Is there an anti-pr0n forum? 36) problem w/ pr0n-behaviour argument remove accountability for people to censor whinygirl again) censorship is part of life some pressure from community over her contacting news pr0n as addiction 37) ABGuy: Alternative to this conversation discussion suggests activities board as authority over mind? false is a volunteer org up to students 38) There are alternatives, also AB should discuss these things beforehand marketing ploy made by anti-pr0n people Wannabelawyerguy again) Deeply moved by comments made by several serial killers Choosing "destructive path" Ted Bundy - today you do society a favour by executing me attribute downside to pr0n - causal relation mod rep:Some freedom is exploratory and terrific, but there are consequences no having one w/o other #5 again) Was TBA originally scheduled and then changed? ABreply: Yes. sleeping bag weekend and rights negotiations led to scheduling redoing. Moved partly to avoid parential bad impressions avoid under-18 mistakes reply: Issues stay there etop: more satire :)